1967 Deville - Driver's side cyclinder head, what's this hole?

[pdxmose]

If you haven't put the water pump on yet, wait until you are also installing the crossover pipe.  In order to properly align the o-ring (front to back), you may need to double stack extra gaskets on either the crossover-to-head or on the water pump.  Dry fit the pump and crossover with no gaskets and check the alignment.  I think it would also be easiest to install them at the same time.

            ...mose

[Cad67Deville]

Thanks Mose.

Trevor

[Cad67Deville]

I finally got the engine rebuilt and the trans de-greased and painted.  It took me WAY longer than I ever would have thought, but also in the mix is a wife and two kids and I started my own company a few months back, so not much extra time.  However, its in the car and running, but not well. 

I dropped the engine in myself and had the car towed to put the trans in.  When the shop put the trans in I had them also bolt up the dual exhaust since they had the car up on a lift.  Unfortunately the heat riser on the passenger side was put in upside down and I'm generating a lot of heat becasue I don't think the valve is opening.  I am going to hollow out the heat riser (like some people here have wisely recommended) and I'm also going to get a heat shield to wrap around the starter to try and reduce the temps. 

I want to replace the starter even after I eliminate the heat rser and use the starter heat shield because it was getting SUPER hot and after I let it idle in the driveway for about 10 minutes I couldn't start it again without letting it cool off for an hour or so.  I presume that hollowing out the heat riser and the heat shield wrap will help keep the temperature of the starter down, however I don't want to have to worry about driving it and getting stuck somewhere waiting for it to cool down or going and getting gas and not being able to re-start it.  Had that happen a few times to me in the past.

Sorry for being so long winded, but wanted to give some background.  So... here's the question, has anyone ever put in a Hi-Torque starter to aid in this hot-starting problem?  If yes, I'd like to hear your experience and what starter you used.  Any input is appreciated!

Thanks!
Trevor
 

[EZ]

Looks great!!  Sorry you're having the problems.

[Cad67Deville]

Thanks EZ, I'm getting there.

[STDog]

Trevor,
You may be in luck.

1st, I if you add a heat shield, have a good cable from the battery and a good ground  I don't think you'll have problems with a quality rebuilt starter. You already have (should have anyway) the High Torque version of the Delco starter.


But, if you really want to go with a small geared starter, there are a few options out there.

The same starter was used from '66-82, so a starter for a 472/500 will bolt up. I know there are gear reduction starters that work on those engines. Search/ask on CadillacPower.com or contact MTS www.500cid.com (The owner, Marty, is a member here too and he may see this).

The only one I remember is the RobbMc starter but it's pricey.
http://www.robbmcperformance.com/products/cad_starter.html

[Cad67Deville]

Thanks STDog.  I have changed out the cable to a 2 gauge wire from the battery to the starter and I have a good/clean ground.  I'll be adding a heat shield wrap.  From what I read on the Cadillacpower.com forum, I'm looking at buying the 9511: 

http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/200_ft_-lb__starters.html

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PWM-9511/

[JAG56Cad]

Trevor,

I recall someone had taken a few extra steps to minimized radiate heat away from the starter by wrapping the exhaust pipes and then enclosing them with a larger diameter flexible exhaust pipe.

Since the exhaust pipe is real close to the starter his process eliminated a large amount of heat away from the starter. He did this to both sides just for keeping a consistence look.

Not sure if your system would allow you to do the same, but something to consider.

Good luck..!

[EZ]

Make sure you take pics of what you do.  I'm going to be going down the same road when I get my 429 rebuild finished.

[Cad67Deville]

JAG56Cad - Interesting idea!  I've seen hot rods that have their individual header pipes wrapped and then a band/hose clamp on the end.  On a hot rod I really  like the look, on a Caddy I'm not so sure...  But I may just have to do that, and go for function over style.  Since there is so little room in between the exhaust manifold and the starter I think wrapping the exhaust may actually move the heat source though closer to the starter, which is why I'm thinking to wrap the starter.  Thanks for the suggestion.

EZ - You got it, pics for sure.

Trevor 

[Cad67Deville]

The same starter was used from '66-82, so a starter for a 472/500 will bolt up. I know there are gear reduction starters that work on those engines. Search/ask on CadillacPower.com or contact MTS www.500cid.com (The owner, Marty, is a member here too and he may see this).

Hi STDog,

Are you sure that they were all the same?  I just want to double check.  Or anyone else, feel free to chime in here, in case STDog doesn't check back tonight or tomorrow.

The Powermaster 9511 is for the Buick 455, which a guy on the CadillacPower forum said he had on his 500.  So if the 66~82 starters were all the same that would include the 429 from my 67 meaning the 9511 would work.

Thanks,
Trevor

[STDog]

The application list for the Delco reman says they are.

Follow this link,
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php?carcode=1025378&parttype=4152

then click the part number for ACDELCO Part # 3361847 for the application list.
scroll down to Cadillac.

Or go to the Delco online catalog http://parts-catalog.acdelco.com/catalog/stock_check.php
and search the part number  (336-1847)
to get this vehicle list http://parts-catalog.acdelco.com/catalog/BuyersGuideSearch.php?BGRequest=1&part=336-1847&catalog=&parttype=325

[Cad67Deville]

Cool, thanks again STDog.

Trevor

[Cad67Deville]

The starter didn't fit, according to the shop I took it to find my vacuum leaks and help me get it running better.  It DEFINITELY is running great now, I drove it home and took the family for a ride this afternoon.  I'm stoked!!!  I'm going to check to see where the starter is hitting/doesn't fit, just because I'm curious.

On a side note, does anyone have a picture of a bracket for the transmission dipstick to attach to the firewall or elsewhere?  Was there one from the factory?  Mine is very loose in the transmission and I'd hate to have it pop out and lose all the fluid.

[STDog]

I'm curious too since the Delco site list it as fitting.